Horodyszcze Kantorate - Adolph Andreasov

Jose Marcos Rosin , Córdoba, Cordoba, Argentina, Montag, 09.06.2025, 22:19 (vor 15 Tagen) @ Eduard Feicho

Many thanks for explaining!
Yes I think the Polish AGAD records should relate to either your Horodyszcze on Polish side or maybe even Gorodischtsche (Stumpp B3) on Russian side if it's a copy?...

Hm, I see your point. Certainly there was some Adolph Andreasov Müller in the region 1916. The only problem with your theory is that Adolph Andreasov died young (1882-1884) (death record).
(Yes the name is very common, I know from experience)...

Of course, I didn't know about the record of Adolf's death, you're right.

I don't have 100% proof to this, but I'm pretty sure this Gottlieb Spring is the brother of the Justine Spring you mentioned. He was born in 1838 in Dabie and probably died before 1915.

I think this would be a coincidence, because why would Müller Andreas relocate with Spring family? But yes Andreas and Justine married in Dabie.
Parents of Justine were Michal Spring + Ludwika Huzol.

Yes, Michael Spring & Anna Louise Herzog.

Andreas Müller, birth.
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/1835335
1846 Baptisms - Dabie (ew.)
Scan 5/125.
Reg 13.
Baptism: 21.1.1846 (9.1.1846 Julian calendar)
Birth: 15.1.1846 (3.1.1846 Julian calendar)
Parents: Ludwig Mülller & Anna Christine Zereck (Ludwik Myller & Anna Krystyna Cerecki)
Place: Banachow
10 km north Dabie, near Szczepanow.
Breyer Map, E5.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cmentarz+Ewangelicko-Augsburski/@52.1712554,18.7713854,5328m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!...

I don't see it as so strange. My Rosin ancestors (who were from Sobotka, a few kilometers from Banachow) migrated to Lublin in a group of several families, including several Rosin brothers and cousins, as well as other families of Rosin's wives' siblings.

To me, it's entirely plausible that Andreas Müller/Justine Spring migrated with the family of Justine's brother, Gottlieb.

Furthermore, it just so happens that they ended up in very close towns. Spring being such a rare surname, I'd say it's hard not to believe there's a connection between Justine and Gottlieb.

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At the moment I am not so interested in Spring family, but to find out if indeed they relocated to Polish side or Volhynian side would be useful.

All I can say is that

- 1916 landowners Abraham Andreasov (Makowitz, Stumpp C4)
- 1900-1913 Müller Abraham children (Andreas+Justine godparents)
- 1900 death record Graff born Mueller Charlotte Andreasov 1881-1900, "born Poland".

What contradicts the info in Horodyszcze Kantorate book is if Charlotte is born in Poland 1881, then her Andreas cannot be in Volhynia at the time.
My understanding is that West Volhynia became Polish in 1921.

What I don't understand about this is that, since we say Müller is a very common surname, how do we know those godparents would be Andreas Müller/Justine Spring? Does it say "Spring"?

I understand this Abraham Müller would be the son of an Andreas. Are you saying Abraham would be the son of Andreas/Justine Spring? If so, it would be very strange for him to choose his parents as godparents for his children.

Or are you trying to infer that Abraham is Andreas Müller's brother, but that couldn't be because Andreas is Ludwig's son, and Abraham is the son of an Andreas.

In any case, it could be that Andreas is an uncle, but that wouldn't be the case because Andreas would need to have a brother named Andreas for that, so he could have a son named Abraham, I don't see 2 brothers with the same name.

So, the relationship between Andreas Müller (Justine Spring's husband) and this Abraham Müller from can't be father-son, they can't be brothers, they can't be uncle-nephew, nor can they be grandson-grandfather; the dates doesn't match.

In other words, the closest possible relationship I see between Andreas Müller (Justine Spring's husband) and Abraham Müller from Makowitz is second cousins ​​or something like that at best. I don't see the relationship you're trying to establish.

I'd even say that it was very unusual for someone older to be chosen as godfather. Andreas Müller/Justine Spring were already in their 60s, approximately, between 1900 and 1913. Godparents were usually young people.

In other words, from my perspective, I find it difficult to establish a relationship between this Abraham to Andreas Müller/Justine Spring. I also don't understand much of what you're trying to infer about Charlotte. Why should Charlotte be the daughter of Andreas Müller and Justine Spring?

She could be the daughter of an Andreas, yes, she could be Abraham's sister, yes, she could be the daughter of Andreas Müller/Justine Spring, I don't know, I see it as unlikely, especially considering what you mentioned about her being born in Poland, when Müller/Spring were already close to Tuchyn at that time.

Unless you have some record that indicates it is Justine Spring, otherwise it could simply be a coincidence of another Andreas Müller married to a Justine.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding you due to translation errors, please explain to me.