Neuman Ludwig from Pulin / Pulyny to Argentina

Gabriela Reibold @, Samstag, 09.04.2022, 02:16 (vor 77 Tagen)

Hello! I am searching info (birth/ marriage/ death records) on Ludwig Neuman's parents and brothers and sisters and possible family he felt before settling in Argentina.
He was born on 28 th October 1885 and his parents were Johann Neumann and Helena Dambrowska /Dombrowska / Dombroski.
Hope you can help me find those records and/ or info. Thank you for reading me!:-)
Gabriela Reibold from Patagonia Argentina

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Neuman Ludwig from Pulin

Gerhard König ⌂, Samstag, 09.04.2022, 09:35 (vor 77 Tagen) @ Gabriela Reibold

Hallo Gabriela, :welcome: im Wolhynien-Forum.

I am searching .. parents .. Johann Neumann and Helena Dambrowska/Dombrowska/Dombroski.

Der polnische Familienname Dombrowski wird bei den Frauen Dombrowska geschrieben und kann ins Deutsche übersetzt ein Wort mit Eiche ergeben.

Gefundene Einträge in der SGGEE-Datenbank habe ich mit den Kirchenbüchern verglichen, mit den Taufdaten ergänzt und einzelne Schreibweisen korrigiert:

Robert Neumann * 8.2.1875 ~ 26.4.1878 in Blumenthal
Sohn von Johann Neumann und Helene Eichhorst
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QVW-36X?i=106&wc=M6VL-YW5&cc=...
(Quelle: Zweitschrift ev.-luth. Kirchenbuch Schitomir 1878 S. 615, Nr. 1251)

Julianna Neumann * 29.3.1877 ~ 26.4.1878 in Blumenthal
Tochter von Johann Neumann und Helene Eichhorst
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QVW-36X?i=106&wc=M6VL-YW5&cc=...
(Quelle: Zweitschrift ev.-luth. Kirchenbuch Schitomir 1878 S. 615, Nr. 1252)

Albert Neumann * 25.10.1879 ~ 26.10.1879 in Pulin
Sohn von Johann Neumann und Helene Dombrowska
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6RQ3-277?i=76&wc=M6VL-GNY&cc=1...
(Quelle: Zweitschrift ev.-luth. Kirchenbuch Heimtal 1885 S. 676, Nr. 1002)

Eduard Neumann * 6.10.1881 ~ 23.5.1882 in Pulin
Sohn von Johann Neumann und Helene Eichhorst
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-67Z9-HB1?i=25&wc=M6VL-G38&cc=1...
(Quelle: Zweitschrift ev.-luth. Kirchenbuch Heimtal 1882 S. 955, Nr. 270)

Ludwig Neumann * 28.10.1885 ~ 21.11.1885 in Pulin
Sohn von Johann Neumann und Helene Dombrowska
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6RQ3-277?i=76&wc=M6VL-GNY&cc=1...
(Quelle: Zweitschrift ev.-luth. Kirchenbuch Heimtal 1885 S. 676, Nr. 1003)

In einer vereinsinternen Datenbank der SGGEE steht ein Hinweis, dass beide Ehepartner aus dem Kirchspiel Nasielsk stammen sollen. Und dort ist noch eine ältere Schwester zu finden:

Christina Neumann * 14./26.3.1873 Budy Studzianskie ~ 15./27.3.1873 Nasielsk
Tochter von Jan Neumann 28 Jahre und Helene Eichhast 22 Jahre
(Quelle: ev.-augsb. Kirchenbuch Nasielsk 1873 Geburten/Taufen Nr. 30)

Der Geburtsort liegt südlich von Nasielsk. Auf der polnischen topographischen Karte A38-B31-Plonsk von Nasielsk die Bahnlinie in südliche Richtung gehen.

Die Heirat der Eltern konnte ich bisher nicht finden.

Gruß, Gerhard

Neuman Ludwig from Pulin

Gabriela Reibold @, Samstag, 09.04.2022, 13:05 (vor 77 Tagen) @ Gerhard König

Hello Gerhard!!!
Nice to get your answer and explanation of the surname Dombrowska! :yes:
I assume the records related to Johann Neumann and Helene Dombrowska descendants are these ones.
*Albert Neumann* * 25/10/1879 ~ 26/10/1879 in Pulin
*Ludwig Neumann* * 28.10.1885 ~ 21.11.1885 in Pulin

As regards Johann Neumann (1) y Helene Eichhorst couple, I need to know if the Johann Neumann (1) is a brother of Johan Neuman, father of Ludwig Neuman (b28.10.1885) Or are these Johann Neuman cousins ?.:gruebel: Sorry, I don´t know how to interpret correctly that information. Forgive me my lack of understanding. :-(

Thank you
Greetings
Gabriela

Neuman Ludwig from Pulin

Gabriela Reibold @, Dienstag, 12.04.2022, 20:37 (vor 74 Tagen) @ Gerhard König

Dear Gerhard,
I am most grateful for your time and energy in helping me to find my ancestors.

Thank you

Kind regards from Patagonia Argentina

Gabriela Reibold

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Johann NEUMANN oo Helene EICHHORST

Regina Steffensen, Samstag, 09.04.2022, 10:19 (vor 77 Tagen) @ Gabriela Reibold

Hallo Gabriela,

ich mache bei den Angaben von Gerhard mal weiter.

Die Heirat der Eltern Johann NEUMANN & Helene EICHHORST habe ich auch im evangelischen Kirchspiel Nasielsk gefunden:

1868 / # 8
Jan NEUMANN 23 Jahre
(Eltern: Marcin & Wilhelmina TORNO)
oo 13./25.11.1868
Helena EICHAST 17 Jahre
(Eltern: Fryderyk & Krystyna PUSCH)

https://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=6&zs=0006d&sy=3500&kt=12&p...

Regina

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Johann NEUMANN oo Helene EICHHORST

Gabriela Reibold @, Samstag, 09.04.2022, 13:14 (vor 77 Tagen) @ Regina Steffensen

Hello Regina!

Thank you for sharing me that record. This link to access records is completely new to me.:-)

As I mentioned to Gerard, I don´t know how Johann Neumann y Helene Eichhorst couple is related to Johann Neumann y Helene Dombrowska, Ludwing Neuman (28.10.1885) parents.

Sorry for not understanding it !!!! :-(

Greetings
Gabriela

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Johann NEUMANN oo Helene EICHHORST

Regina Steffensen, Samstag, 09.04.2022, 14:26 (vor 77 Tagen) @ Gabriela Reibold

Hello Gabriela,

I don´t know how Johann Neumann y Helene Eichhorst couple is related to Johann Neumann y Helene Dombrowska, Ludwing Neuman (28.10.1885) parents.

The married couple Johann NEUMANN & Helene EICHHORST are identical to the married couple Johann NEUMANN & Helena DOMBROWSKA. Here DOMBROWSKA is the Polish version for EICHHORST. So it is only 1 married couple:
Johann NEUMANN oo Helene EICHHORST = Johann NEUMANN oo Helena DOMBROWSKA
This 1 married couple are the parents of Ludwig NEUMANN.

Regina

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Gabriela Reibold @, Samstag, 09.04.2022, 15:44 (vor 77 Tagen) @ Regina Steffensen

:danke: Regina !

I am laughing at myself!!! I could have never imagined that Johann NEUMANN oo Helene EICHHORST was the same couple as Johann NEUMANN oo Helena DOMBROWSKA.:okay:

Thank you for making it clear to me!!!!:yes:

Always learning on the way discovering ancestors!!!!

:danke:
Greetings
Gabriela

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Johann NEUMANN oo Helene EICHAST / EICHHOLZ / DOMBROWSKA

Irene König ⌂, Samstag, 09.04.2022, 16:20 (vor 77 Tagen) @ Gabriela Reibold

Yes. We cannot prove it, but we suspect that it is one and the same family. The theory goes as follows: In the Nasielsk church book the name is written EICHAST [English: oak branch]- this could be kind of the original form. In the following EICHAST changed to EICHHOLZ, then to DOMBROWSKA. Only a DNA match with other NEUMANN descendants from this family could prove this theory.

Polish: dąbrowa (pronounced dombrowa) - German: Eichenholz - English: oak wood

Johann NEUMANN oo Helene EICHAST / EICHHOLZ / DOMBROWSKA

Gabriela Reibold @, Samstag, 09.04.2022, 16:28 (vor 77 Tagen) @ Irene König

Hello Irene !
What an interesting theory!!! Love to learn about it!
Thanks for sharing.
:danke:
Greetings
Gabriela

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Helena EICHHORST *15 Apr 1851

Irene König ⌂, Samstag, 09.04.2022, 18:12 (vor 77 Tagen) @ Gabriela Reibold

Another version: in Helena's baptism entry the family name is spelled EICHHORST. ;-)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXV-F3TB-R?i=131&cat=48311
[Nasielsk church book, baptisms 1851 #30]

Helena EICHHORST *15 Apr 1851

Gabriela Reibold @, Samstag, 09.04.2022, 18:35 (vor 77 Tagen) @ Irene König

:danke:

Helena EICHHORST *15 Apr 1851

Gabriela Reibold @, Dienstag, 12.04.2022, 20:25 (vor 74 Tagen) @ Irene König

Hello Irina!
I would like to express my gratitude for your commitment in helping others in this family history adventure and in particular for contacting Brien Kautz.
This adventure is just starting…you will have more news from me… now I am gathering information on DOMKE branch in my family. Then I will open a proper thread for that.

Thank you, Irina!!!:okay:

Regards from Patagonia Argentina.
Gabriela Reibold

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Siblings of Johann NEUMANN

Irene König ⌂, Samstag, 09.04.2022, 18:26 (vor 77 Tagen) @ Gabriela Reibold

I found some information about Johann's siblings in a family tree on ancestry.com, birth years are estimated. Johann NEUMANN and his siblings lived probably in Volhynia from about 1871 on, verifiable by the births of children.

*1836 Rosalie NEUMANN oo Michael SCHINKE --> 1871 in Volhynia (1 child)

*1839 Friederike NEUMANN oo Christian SCHACHT --> 1875 in Wolhynien (2 children)

*1841 Beate NEUMANN oo Adam WEGNER oo II Johann Karl Bogdanski --> 1873 in Volhynia (3 children)

*1845 Johann NEUMANN oo Helene EICHAST --> 1871 in Volhynia (5 children)

*1851 Marianne NEUMANN oo Johann FRIEDRICH --> 1877 in Volhynia (2 children)

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Grandchildren of Christian SCHACHT & Friederike NEUMANN emigrated to Canada and USA.

https://www.ancestry.de/family-tree/tree/170068062/family/familyview?cfpid=382205053668

Siblings of Johann NEUMANN

Gabriela Reibold @, Samstag, 09.04.2022, 18:42 (vor 77 Tagen) @ Irene König

:danke:
I am really most grateful for all the information you shared.

Full with emotions at seeing the records, the data !!!! Indescribable amounts of joy when a new message arrives!!!!:yes:

:danke:

Gabriela

Siblings of Johann NEUMANN

Brien Kautz @, Samstag, 09.04.2022, 21:28 (vor 76 Tagen) @ Gabriela Reibold

Hello Gabriela Reibold,

Irene König notified me of this thread on the Neumann family.

I am a descendant of Johann Neumann's sister Friederike Neumann. She was my grandmother's grandmother.

Johann and Friederike's parents were Martin Neumann (born about 1803) and Dorothea Wilhelmine Torno (born about 1807). The Neumann family lived within the Nasielsk parish north of Nowy Dwor Mazowiecki near Warsaw, Poland. They were one of several families that emigrated to the Pulin area of Volhynia in the early 1870s.

I recently discovered the 1826 marriage record of Martin Neumann and Dorothea Wilhelmine Torno. I had not found it earlier, since Martin's name was recorded as Martin Nowak, which is a Polish equivalent of Neumann. The marriage record identifies Martin's parents as Jędrzej (Andreas) Neumann and Krystyna Grochowska.

Similar to the Eichhast = Dombrowska equivalency, the Neumann name is also recorded as Nowak in some Polish records. There are many other German surnames that have Polish equivalents. SGGEE.org has good resources on these equivalent surnames.

Brien

P.S. I am DNA tested on all the major sites. So if you are also tested, we may show up as 4th cousin matches.

Siblings of Johann NEUMANN

Gabriela Reibold @, Samstag, 09.04.2022, 22:34 (vor 76 Tagen) @ Brien Kautz

Hello Brien!

Happy to learn about you.!

My thread started with Ludwig Neumann (28.10.1885), here in Argentina it is LUIS NEUMAN. He married Ana Maria Brum(m) in 1934 in Winifreda, Conhelo, La Pampa, Argentina and they had three boys and one girl.- I will use the spelling as it has been kept in Argentina, just to be clear-.
Here their offpring:

1-Edmundo Adolfo Neuman was born about 1943 - He was single and had no descendants
2-Elena Neuman was born about 1948 and she is alive. She has two children.
3-Teodoro Ricardo Neuman was born on 27 May 1940 and died 21 November 2007. He got married and had one son (Marcelo) and one daughter (Rosana) .
4-Osvaldo Roberto Neuman was born about 1941 and died 10 July 2015. He got married and had two daughters (Patricia and Elena).

I am a Brum descedant (Volga). My grandmother was Olga Brum, Ana Maria Brum's sisters. And As I started to expand this branch, the Neuman members I mentioned in brackets, who are my 3rd cousins wondered about their anscestors, and here I Am, meeting you. What a lovely surprise!:-)

One of them has a set of postcards and letters. I could identified as being from USA but the quality of the pictures they shared with me are not good. I am waiting them to send me clear pictures to help them reconstruct their family ties. And I am also waiting them to give me the full dates of all descendants in Argentina. It takes time to find those papers and photos.

Neuman family settled in Las Flores, in Buenos Aires Province, dedicated to agriculture activity.They were and are owners of farms.

My personal email is ... and I would be glad to have news from you and that I could share with them.

And yes! My surname Reibold ...well, German-Russian descendant too, but from Crimea- 5 generations in Crimea and then to Argentina.

Regards
Gabriela

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