Wolhynien-Forum - Re: Jess, Kruger, Scwanke, Sienkiewicz

Re: Jess, Kruger, Scwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Thomas Jess — Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:45:07 +0000

Margit,
Pauline Krueger, father Samuel Krueger(b.1848), mother Wilhemine Jesse(b.1852).
7 children, Pauline, julianna, eduard, Julius,Alwiene, August,Henrietta.
Pauline married a Bachmann, first name unknown and moved to Brazil in 1930. At least 5 daughters and 1 son. I only know erna and leokadia bachmann names. I am trying to find out information about them in Brazil, but so far no luck.

Tom

Re: SCHACHTSCHNEIDER, August & MUTH, Augustine (Antwort)

Thomas Jess — Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:36:06 +0000

Wissen sie Al Muth ? Er wohnt im detroit USA and ist am sggee.org. Er macht sehr viel mit geneology und ubersetzt die polische kirchenbucher.

Re: SCHACHTSCHNEIDER, August & MUTH, Augustine (Antwort)

Regina Steffensen — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:57:13 +0000

Hallo Thomas,

August Schachtschneider married Augustine Muth 15 nov 1878

aus meiner eigenen Familienliste:

August SCHACHTSCHNEIDER* ca. 1853 Sarnowo, Gouv. Warschau
(Michael SCHACHTSCHNEIDER)
oo 15.11.1878 Rozyszcze, Wolhynien
Augustine MUTH * 3.6.1860 Wiesiolow, Kreis Kolo, Gouv. Kalisch
(Friedrich MUTH & Wilhelmine SCHULZ)

Friedrich MUTH * 24.1.1835 Gorki, Kreis Kolo
(Gottfried MUTH & Marianne SCHULZ)
oo 26.12.1859 Dabie, Kreis Kolo
Wilhelmine SCHULZ * ca. 1837 Lipie Gory, Kreis Kolo
(Daniel SCHULZ & Eva RADKE)

Gottfried MUTH * ca. 1801/1803 Wojciechow, Kreis Kolo
(Erdmann MUTH & Susanne MÜLLER)
oo 18.11.1827 Dabie, Kreis Kolo
Marianne SCHULZ * ca. 1809 Sobotka, Kreis Kolo
(Johann Schulz & Anna Kristine FALKENBERG)

Ich bin ebenfalls eine Nachfahrin von Erdmann MUTH & Susanne MÜLLER.

Regina

Re: Jess, Kruger, Scwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Margrit Schäfer — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:26:16 +0000

Hi Thomas,

I am interested in your Kruger family. Do you have dates and places of Pauline Kruger? My greatgrandmother was a Pauline Krueger, too, born about 1870, living around Kolowert, Horodischtsche, Tutschin. She got married to Gottfried Arndt.

Margrit

Re: Fundsache Sichon (Antwort)

Gerhard König — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:27:39 +0000

Hallo Waldemar,

in den russischen Opferlisten von Memorial fand ich 4 Einträge mit dem Namen SICHON. Einer davon ist aus Wolhynien:

Цихонь Мария Михайловна
Родилась в 1930 г., с. Симаковка, Емильчинский р-н, Житомирская обл.; Приговорена: ... , обв.: как член семьи репрессированной по политическим мотивам. - Источник: Книга памяти Республики Коми

Sichon Maria Michailowna
Geboren 1930 im Dorf Simakowka, Rayon Emiltschin, Oblast Shitomir;
Verurteilt: ... (Anmerkung: Eintrag fehlt), Begründung: als Familienangehöriger aus politischen Gründen verhaftet. - Quelle: Gedenkbuch der Republik Komi

Vielleicht gehört diese Maria zu Deiner Familie.

Es gibt in Russland einen berühmten Musiker mit dem Namen Boris Sichon. Er stammt aus der Ukraine.

Kannst Du mir zu dem Boris etwas mehr schreiben?

gerhard

Re: Jess, Kruger, Schwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Thomas Jess — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:22:35 +0000

Waldimar,
Ich kann diener Onkel. Dein Vater war Erhard.
Dein Grossmutter (Alina Schwanke),ihre Mutter war Emilie Jesse. Sie hat Samuel Schwanke gehiratet. Ich habe alles deiner Onkel geschikt zu Weinachten. Ich spreche ein paar mal im Jahr mit helga. Ich brauche information von euch. Ich weis von lidia, olga, lili, und oskar, aber Ich weiss nicht ob die kinder haben. Schreibe mir an meiner e-mail. Ich mochte gern dir anrufen.

Thomas Jess

deiner uhrgrossmutter and meiner grossvater waren bruder und schwester.

Re: Jess, Kruger, Scwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Thomas Jess — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:11:51 +0000

Not a direct blood relation to me, but
August Schachtschneider married Augustine Muth 15 nov 1878
2 children, julius and gustav
Julius Shachtschneider came to the US aroung 1901. He brought over Alvina Jess and they werer married 1907 in Munson PA.
Alwina's father was august jesse who was my great grandfathers brother.

Re: Jess, Kruger, Scwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Regina Steffensen — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:24:18 +0000

Hello Thomas,

Most of the familiar names i am seeing are from the rozyszcze and shitomer parish.
surnames Jesse, schachtschneider, muth, kruger, schmidt, wellsand, stachowski.

can you give me more information about your MUTH family?

Regina

Re: Jess, Kruger, Schwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Waldemar Sichon — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:08:59 +0000

Hallo Thomas,

mein Großvater war Alexander Sichon (verstorben 1974 in Nord-Deutschland). Meine Großmutter war Alina Sichon, Geburtsname Schwanke (verstorben 1979 in Nord-Deutschland). Waldemar Sichon, geboren 1927, ich trage den selben Namen, ist mein Onkel (Bruder meines 2008 verstorbenen Vaters). Wie bist Du mit den Sichons verwandt?

Es gibt in Russland einen berühmten Musiker mit dem Namen Boris Sichon. Er stammt aus der Ukraine. Ob er mit uns verwandt ist weiss ich nicht.

Über eine Antwort würde ich mich riesig freuen. Am besten auf deutsch. Notfalls auch in englisch.

Re: Jess, Kruger, Scwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Thomas Jess — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:52:27 +0000

Thank You Jan!
I just found out about SGGEE and am trying to join asap.
The info i have is from copies of birth certificates, passports, death certificates,marraige certificates,and baptism records my family has copies of. I also got some information from the volynian records on line. A lot of times the information on line and the information on the documents do not match up exactly. The names are almost identical but the dates are slightly off so i try to double and triple check to make sure I identify the correct person. Thank You again for your help.

Re: Jess, Kruger, Scwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Thomas Jess — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:37:16 +0000

I don't have village names yet. Hopefully Harry Rode can provide some, as well as dates. Most of the familiar names i am seeing are from the rozyszcze and shitomer parish. surnames Jesse, schachtschneider, muth, kruger, schmidt, wellsand, stachowski.

village names i have seen on documents or on hand written info are

radischtsch
miecrislaw or miroslawka
kolowert
zdolbunow
dimitrowka
lodz
strykow
wisckowka
marjanin
kazakhstan

Re: Jess, Kruger, Scwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Michael Grohn — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:58:32 +0000

Hello Thomas,

thank you for the information. Do you have additional information about places? The village they lived or place of birth etc?

Best regards
Michael

Re: Jess, Kruger, Scwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Jan Textor — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:29:26 +0000

Hello Thomas,

I am not sure if you know the Pedigree Database of the Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe (SGGEE), because you have not mentioned much about the sources of your information. My guess is that you are not familiar with this database, so I took a quick look on your behalf and found a Gottlieb Jesse, born abt. 1819 in Poland, married to Eva Decker, born abt. 1825 in Borecznia Wielka, Poland. They were married on 6 Nov 1842 in Babiak, Poland. You will be able to find lots of information about the ancestors and extended family of this couple in the database.

I also found information about an Emilie Schmidt, born on 19 Feb 1859 in Zawadka Nowa, Poland. In her case, too, there is much information to be found about her ancestors in the database.

However, the information in this database is accessible to members only, and I would therefore suggest that you become a member of the SGGEE. You can find their homepage at http://www.sggee.org/

Hope this helps,
Jan Textor

Re: Jess, Kruger, Scwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Thomas Jess — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:41:56 +0000

wilhemine jess married samuel kruger

son, august kruger married susanna kanna
7 children
eina kruger
antonie kruger
artur kruger
helmut kruger
erich kruger
reinhard kruger
eduard kruger

eina kruger married rudolpf rode
3 children
harry rode
elsa rode
arnold rode

harry had one daughter
olita rode

I just found and spoke with harry rode in hamburg last week. He gave me reinhard krugers number. Reinhard is 90.
I just mailed harry the list i have and hope he will fill in what i am missing. he did tell me we have relatives in canada and australia.
I am going to try and put everything on legacy this week.

other surnames on rode side are stachoske,wellsand,spermann
kahno became kanna, no idea why, other surnames on that side are betcher,wiesenthal

Re: Jess, Kruger, Scwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Michael Grohn — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:41:29 +0000

Thomas,

can you give me more information about your Rode family?

Best regards
Michael

Re: Jess, Kruger, Scwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Thomas Jess — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:59:23 +0000

Thank you Jerry,
I've been working on this on and off for about 10 years. I have copies of official documents and they don't match up with the dates on odessa's on- line database. the names match, but since i can't confirm dates, i can't say 100 percent they are the correct relatives. Everyone was named wilhelm. Also, every document i have spells it Jess. But I've seen jesse, jesske, gess.

Re: Jess, Kruger, Schwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Thomas Jess — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:44:24 +0000

Sorry, I was hoping someone would recognize some of the names. Here are some towns i have records of

Aline Sichon - Demetrowka or Dimitrewka
Alexander Sichon - Marjanin
Waldemar Sichon - Sykow july 6 1927
Albert Jess - Dimitrewka oct 3 1899
Sophia Janina Sienkiewicz - Odessa
Ptor Sienkiewicz - Talas Kazakystan
Emilie Schmitt - New Zawadka
Albertine Jess - Zhitomir 1883
Pauline Jess - Glawfironika aug 18 1893
August Jess - 1849 Kalisch
Romual Jess - Zdolbunowska, Poland

I have family tree which has the last name spelled jesse. All official documents have it spelled Jess.

I searched thru databases, but everyones named Wilhelm, Wilhelmine, Albert, Albertine. I have birth certificates and marraige certificates, but dates do not match those on volynian databases.

Schachtschneiders and a few Jesses came to America in early 1900, they named Khalisch as hometown.

Re: Jess, Kruger, Scwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Jerry Frank † — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:37:41 +0000

Thomas,

JESS is a known variant of GESS. It does not have to be a variant but it can be.

My friend Victor Gess with origins in Volhynia also has Rode connections. If you write to me personally, I will pass on his email address for you. My address is ...

Jerry

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Re: Jess, Kruger, Schwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Irene König — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:17:43 +0000

Thomas,

You are not giving us much to work with. Can you be more specific about what you are looking for? Also, I do not see a connection to Volhynia since you do not mention any village or town.

irene

Re: Jess, Kruger, Scwanke, Sienkiewicz (Antwort)

Thomas Jess — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:57:53 +0000

Auch in meiner stambaum sind die namen

Sichon
Rode
Sienkiewicz
Bielecki
Shone